Luckily the youth pictures of Britney Spears when she was 15 or some others I can imagine were not posted on dpreview, or they would have been banned. Luckily nobody published pictures of the M kids when they were 13 over here or they would have been banned.
Luckily some photographers publish their works and sell via Amazon, as they would have been banned here. Luckily some fashion stores don't advert their clothing on this forum, or they would have been banned.
Luckily we have some good decent advisors on what is provocative and what not to keep this forum clean. She's in what I felt was pretty provactive pose. I don't remember it exactly, but I believe she was wearing a very short skirt and she was sitting in what I found to be an enticing pose looking UP at the camera. I think she was 15 at this time. I remember thinking keep in mind, I'm not even a parent and I'm not old Bunch of 45 y.
Not to mention all the 15 y. Where you draw the line may not be where I draw the line which may not be where Joe Shmo down the street draws the line. Girls shouldn't even wear a skirt or shorts or a dress that doesn't cover the ankles. What had not been mentioned before was the age of the girl in the pics. She is 11 years old. My oldest daughter is She is a very intelligent girl for her age. Despite her intelligence there is no way that she has the capacity to make the appropriate decisions wether or not these kinds of poses are appropriate.
She would have to rely on the adults that she trust the most. Let me clarify that. If a stranger asked her to pose like that she would know better. But if I asked her to pose like that she would not. At 11 years old children are barely past the point of believing in Santa. If they are not, then they are warped by ill minded adults. Do not try and convince me that this young girl posesses the mental capacities to make such mature decisions. At this point in her life she is at the beginning stages of forming these thought processes.
What we see here, no matter how artistic it seems, borders on abuse. I said it borders on abuse. I did not say it is abuse. I just want people to think before they push this on a child of this age. I believe all adults should be able to engage in activities of their choice as long as it does not have ill affects on anyone else and does not envolve minors. Put the girl in an outfit and surroundings appropriate for an 11 year old and let her grow up on her own. Someone reading this thread WOULD think it's much ado about nothing, but the original picture was significantly more provocative.
CIASpook wrote: Better stop having beauty pagaents and make laws against young girls wearing bikinis. There was one picture that I can't find anymore I remember it because she had a really unique belly button. What I don't remember is if she had bra on. Her breasts if any at her young age were not exposed. However, if she was not wearing a bra and only had a jacket to cover herself But I don't remember I only remember the bellybutton being unique.
Personally, I thought it was in bad taste but hey, I can just hit the back button. There is always a big response when pictures of children and teens posing provocatively are posted on the Forum.
I, for one, feel there is no place for them, however creative the picture. Provocative pictures are meant to elicit specific sexual responses, and, in my opinion, the children photographed are too young to give informed consent, despite what the photographer might argue. I feel these photos violate the rules of the forum, in spirit if nothing else. As photographers I also feel we have a responsibility not to encourage our subjects to pose for photos, the implicit invitation of which, is behaviour that they are too young to engage in.
It's completely similar in character. Shutterbugin wrote: and they will explain the reason noone has seen this ONE image that the original poster is referring to.
Not offended, sad. I have been doing some research, as it makes me curious as where society puts the limits:. This goed a LOT further than the picture I posted. Where does one put the limit of what is accepted? Are we going to ban them too? Shutterbugin wrote: Am I offending you with my responses? I understand you just want this all to go away, and it will eventually, but I am here to stay ;-. By the way.
I think you are wonderful photographer. You have very nice pictures. Please I am only talking about this one image. SHould not have posted it. Im not all that utterly offended ok - but dont you see the point of all this? Shutterbugin wrote: This thread is pointless unless the original image that Dodi posted. He removed it from the other thread because he was 'tired' of all the negative comments. I think that is a sneaky way out of a situation that was becoming out of hand.
The picture should never have been posted here in the first place - but Dido will never admit that. He claims it was just to deomonstrate the sharpness of the kit lens Predator1 wrote: I'd agree with you if i thought your statement was true, but i have never seen any provocatively pictures on this forum tho there might have been some, i haven seen all the pictures on this forum.
I guess we all have our own threshold to ethics, morality, and personal limits. I agree man - there is ALOT more inappropriate stuff out there, but that does not mean it should be. People are sensitive about kids, and I dont think images of 11 years olds like that belong out there. I just wish you could see where I am coming from - but again - you threshold of what is ok and not ok is different than mine. You changed the photo and it corrupted the post.
It had no context whatsoever But if someone finds the pictures provocative then surely it says something about their thoughts rather than the photographers?
If the pictures are not pornographic and the models are not being forced to pose for the camera then i dont see a problem.
Having said that i'm not sure id want my daughter or any of her friends to pose for pictures that some may deem provocative or maybe use for their provocative thoughts. I said it is a very fine line and i dont know where it can be crossed safely.
I see lots of ads for bikinis and underwear where the girl is covering her breasts with her hands Gee, why not? I mean it's beautiful when an 18yo does it, why not the 11yo? That one of the conditions attached to this site is no nude or semi nude pictures of children Than LOTS of people should have banned. Certainly those with nude baby pics in their footer comment.
There was no nude in the picture. I want to stress that. Yes, it was a provocative look, but no nude. Your photos are great and I think many would appreciate them, and view you in a kinder light after viewing them! The pictures of this young girl showing her belly button has possibly been grabbed by at least one person and put on a site that is frequented by child abusers.
As much as you may want to deny it the internet has a very dark side. As innocent as the photographer may have meant these pictures to be, the young girl has no control of were those pictures end up now. The pic is not yet on the site. It's too recent and I have more that need processing.
Actually I reprocessed the picture in tints of grey. But I won't post it here anymore. Is the picture inappropriate? If so, then I understand your argument. But if we all agree that it isn't, then if some sleazeball takes that picture and puts it on a site promoting abuse Another user posted a picture of his own child.